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sleuthlover
Joined: 26 May 2005 Posts: 1
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 4:11 am Post subject: just an opinion |
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i was wondering about the first accident she had it sounds like she been distraught after that did she hit someone with a car and injured and was afraid to tell the police hit and run perhaps? maybe she felt she needed to get away to avoid getting in trouble was it a fatal accident?she could have been crying while driving in that second accident also she had papers to file about the first accident i was thinking she was going to tell her dad some thing about it she took them with her and about the phone call where she was crying she may have been in some trouble and scared to say anything on the phone the red cross? was she at that red cross or some thing cuz it sounded like it was very cold out there if she running it could be from what happen in the first accident she had i thought about the scenario where she may have confided i for got who it was but they wont talk n tell anything |
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Mod1
Joined: 04 Feb 2005 Posts: 58
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 6:19 am Post subject: |
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Thank you for posting. Maura had had an accident the Saturday/early Sunday prior to her disappearance, however I have been informed that she was not cited at that accident. The police were at the accident scene, so that it would certainly seem that if someone had been hit she would have been cited by the police. |
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Jane
Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Posts: 49 Location: NH
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 7:12 am Post subject: First Accident |
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Hello sleuthlover ...
It's my understanding that Maura had her first accident very early sunday morning while on her way to see her father at his motel, but I'm not positive if I read that in the paper or on the boards, so I can't be sure. Since she was not cited for anything in the accident, I have to assume she did nothing wrong. The car sustained quite a bit of costly damamge so that could explain her being so distraught.
I'm confused about why she was headed over to see her Dad at 3 am in the morning ... it must have been something pretty important to plan on disturbing him in the middle of the night.
It seems the more I learn about this case, the more questions I have. Nothing seems to add up. |
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tammy
Joined: 10 Nov 2004 Posts: 66 Location: weymouth, ma
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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It is my understanding that her Dad was there to visit her for the weekend, as he did many times. He took Maura and some friends out to dinner. Maura than dropped her Dad off at the hotel and took his car back to a friends house. I do not think she was going there to "tell him something" important, She was probably staying with him for the night . He was there to visit. He probably needed his car in the a.m. to go back home. I do not see anything to be confused as to why she was going there, if my Dad wad visiting me at college I would go there to. _________________ Miss you Maura. |
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Sharon
Joined: 26 Jan 2005 Posts: 230 Location: Ohio
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 5:47 pm Post subject: Maura and Fred Were Going Car Shopping on Sunday |
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tammy wrote: | It is my understanding that her Dad was there to visit her for the weekend, as he did many times. He took Maura and some friends out to dinner. Maura than dropped her Dad off at the hotel and took his car back to a friends house. I do not think she was going there to "tell him something" important, She was probably staying with him for the night . He was there to visit.He probably needed his car in the a.m. to go back home. <snip> |
Tammy, you are correct. However, Fred was not returning on Sun morning. He and Maura were shoppping for her a new car. It is also understandable to me that she would return to his motel room so they could get an early start to complete the car shopping on Sun........remember Maura had not driven her car (the one that was found in NH without Maura) for over three weeks because of mecanical problems.
.......just an fyi: Sometime in Jan 04, I had called Maura on her cell phone......She told me the following: Fred was driving the Saturn, (her car) and she was following him in his new car.......I am certain that she told me her car was running so poorly that Fred had had AAA tow the car the 100 miles that was covered in her plan and then they were driving the remaining distance to UMass.....she was very concerned what she would do about transportation to her nursing clinicals because school was starting the following week........contrary to all of the speculation I have read, her father did not tell her he would not buy her a car because she wrecked his........the Sat night one-car accident was Maura's first accident during her almost 6 years of driving; there was a policeman at the scene - Maura was not cited.......as with any parent, Fred was not pleased, but he was not angry. Aside from the agravation of having to deal with insurance and body shops, he was extremely grateful that Maura or another party was not injured. Tammy, you of course, knowing Fred will understand exactly what I am speaking of. |
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tammy
Joined: 10 Nov 2004 Posts: 66 Location: weymouth, ma
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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thanks Sharon you are absolutley right I forgot that that her Dads purpose of going there that weekend was to buy a new car for Maura, A Corolla I believe, she mentioned that when I saw her over Christmas (I think that is when it was) She was so happy the last time I saw her (and Bill)
I know what you mean her Dad has never been the type to get angry over material things I do not think I have ever even heard him mad. He is a real good guy. _________________ Miss you Maura. |
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Jane
Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Posts: 49 Location: NH
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 10:00 pm Post subject: Sorry |
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I'm sorry ladies ...
I was not aware that Maura was also a guest at the hotel with her father ... I guess that clears up my confusion.
Did Maura and her Dad actually go car shopping on Sunday? Because I'm wondering why she would have chosen to drive an undependable vehicle (she had towed) on a long journey in winter, if she had a new car at the ready. I'm guessing she had her reasons ... I'm concerned it's possible that trouble might have followed her from school and played a part in her disappearance.
It's one of the many troubling points I see about what happened to Maura and believe me, I would love nothing better than to ask her for myself and I continue to hope that one day I will get the chance. |
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hydemi
Joined: 18 Jan 2005 Posts: 114 Location: winchester, mass.
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Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 9:05 am Post subject: shopping for the new car and the old Saturn |
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Does anyone know if Maura and her Dad checked on the old Saturn to see if it would start, how it was running etc., in preparation for seeking a trade-in with a used car dealer?
She must have checked on the car sometime before the Sunday night she was on her computer checking out resorts, otherwise how would she know she could even get going in it the next day, Feb 9th?
The question in my mind is when she started planning her departure from the UMass campus--only after the accident around 3am Sunday morning?
If sooner, that casts a different light on her leaving UMass.
All the details of her departure suggest planning, whether or not she planned to return to her nursing program or to leave school is unclear.
And evidently she had not shared these plans with anyone as of 2/9/04. _________________ alsoaparent |
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hydemi
Joined: 18 Jan 2005 Posts: 114 Location: winchester, mass.
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Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 3:32 pm Post subject: just an opinion |
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I am referring to the thread which ended back in June, but as I look back there are some details which stand out.
Can anyone improve upon or correct or add to this attempt at a timeline of Maura and what she was doing from after midnight in the wee am hours of Sunday Feb 8th to the time of her disappearance on Monday evening Feb 9th?
) 12 pm 2-8-04 drinking with friends in their dorm room who urge her to
go back to her room, but she heads for Dad's motel
3am runs off road on Rte 9, S Hadley, not cited, on the way
early Sun am awakens and shows/tells Dad of her car accident with
his 2004 Corolla
sometime Sun talks by cell with her boyfriend Lt Rausch, extemely upset
so much so he thinks more is wrong than just the car
also Sunday sees friends on campus does not tell anyone anything
Sunday evening uses Mapquest on her pc to check out Stowe, Burlington
and N Country getaway spots
sometime later has packed up her room--neatly, in boxes
sometime Monday has gone to Amherst police station to get form for filing
report and claim on her Dad's car, promised to call him
that evening
during Monday sends emails to Lt Rausch, profs, et al telling the latter
that she will be away a few days due to death in family
during Monday makes cell calls to Lt Rausch, to student driving her to
clinicals that she will be gone a while, and to Salamones
in Bartlett NH about condo in Attitash
2-3pm Mon seen on video at ATM withdrawing $280, most of the
money in her account--but not all of it!
2-3 pm Mon seen on video at Amherst liquor store buying Kahlua,
Bailey's, vodka, red wine
4-4.30 pm leaves Amherst driving old Saturn with its problems
7pm later runs off road on NH 112 near Swiftwater, at curve by
the Weathered Barn gift shop, evidently heading to
Bartlett NH knowing she could still get a rental
seen in her car by Butch Atwood the busdriver who
calls local police
seen outside car (?) by neighbor who calls 911
inside ten minutes officer Cecil Smith arrives but
she is gone with her car locked, having only taken
a small black backpack, her phone, wallet, possibly
a bottle of alcohol leaving everything else in car
including schoolbooks and jewelry from Lt Rausch
an hour later after 8pm is seen, at least fits the
description (blue jeans, dark coat), about 4-5 miles
east on NH 112, by local contractor who is Atwood's
nearby neighbor
The standout details to me are: alcohol consumption & purchase, driving afterwards, thwarted attempts to contact & communicate with Lt Rausch,
a sudden urge to leave & get away as of Sunday evening, concealing even lying to people at UMass about her situation and intentions, not wanting to risk a second or third encounter with police in NH having not been cited the previous day in Mass., knowing even on Sunday night that she could in fact start and drive the old Saturn which she used during the day on Monday, leaving the door open for return to classes and campus as she was only supposed to be gone a few days, and having only enough money to rent & get meals etc for a few days. Each action in the sequence appears to be a bit more desperate and reckless, suggesting extreme fear as well as determination to keep fleeing. She had to have hurried very quickly indeed to have moved four to five miles from the second accident site in only an hour or less--not wearing track shoes or clothes, but jeans & coat in 12 degree weather. _________________ alsoaparent |
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snowbird
Joined: 13 Feb 2005 Posts: 51 Location: New Hampshire
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Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 11:26 am Post subject: Thanks Hydemi for your opinion |
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hydemi wrote: |
sometime later has packed up her room--neatly, in boxes
inside ten minutes officer Cecil Smith arrives but
she is gone with her car locked, having only taken
a small black backpack, her phone, wallet, possibly
a bottle of alcohol leaving everything else in car
including schoolbooks and jewelry from Lt Rausch
The standout details to me are: alcohol consumption & purchase, |
Hydemi,
You seemed to have outlined Maura's last couple of days very clearly but I have some reservations about some of the points you have made.
1. packing her room at school....there's no proof that she packed her room before leaving because she may in fact not have had time to unpack her items as she had recently returned to school.
2. the time Cecil Smith arrived was not ten minutes after the 911 call....it actually took him about 17 minutes to arrive at the scene.
3. the items she took with her...no one knows exactly what she had with her although you are correct that her cell phone, back pack and car keys were missing.
4. re: alcohol.....there have been a number of conflicting stories as to whether or not there was any alcohol in her car. Officer Smith did say there was a "box" of wine in the back. Other witnesses say they saw no alcohol in her car. I doubt that she went off on a run in the middle of the night dressed as she was hauling a number of bottles of alcohol in her backpack. Perhaps a simpler explanation is that she bought for someone at school and dropped it off to them before she left. Maybe that person did not come forward (maybe underage) and tell the police about this transaction.
It makes more sense to me that she would have taken the jewelry given to her by her fiance than alcohol if she decided to go on the run.
I really don't believe that she went running on that night. First, she was not dressed for the extremely cold and snowy weather, she knew the area a bit and would know that she would have a long way to go if she was in fact trying to get to Lincoln/Woodstock. And if she had consumed alcohol plus possibly sustained an injury from the airbag, she may have been disoriented. I don't believe the witness who says he saw her that night. At least he didn't see her running on the road. Maybe he did see her though at his front door asking for help.
It is not known for certain which way she was headed that night. Many believe she was going east on Rt. 112 heading toward Bartlett but that doesn't make sense because Rt. 302 would have been the better route. Also, her car was found in the east bound lane heading west towards Woodsville.
It is very helpful when you put the timeline together as you did. But again, we have to remember that much of the information we have is supposition and guesses. I appreciate what you have attempted to do by outlining each incident as it helps me remember things I have heard or read. |
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hydemi
Joined: 18 Jan 2005 Posts: 114 Location: winchester, mass.
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Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 2:15 pm Post subject: just an opinion |
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Dear Snowbird,
again I do not know, just trying to re-construct.
The contractor/builder neighbor returning from Franconia who did not come forward until later contacted by police who heard about his have seen a girl fitting Maura's description has always seemed suspect.
And he had been interviewed both by the private investigator and police during the week after 2/9 without remembering or mixing up the date.
Yet both Fred Murray in his first letter to NH Gov. Benson and Lt Scarinza in his June 04 summary seem to accept the guy's story--and others on this board have in the past said they too believe his story.
Go figure.
The locale of his alleged sighting four to five miles east is near the split between NH 112 east and NH 116 north and I have wondered assuming it was Maura if the girl seen "hurrying" could have gone north on 116. _________________ alsoaparent |
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snowbird
Joined: 13 Feb 2005 Posts: 51 Location: New Hampshire
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 10:34 am Post subject: Re: just an opinion |
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hydemi wrote: |
Yet both Fred Murray in his first letter to NH Gov. Benson and Lt Scarinza in his June 04 summary seem to accept the guy's story--and others on this board have in the past said they too believe his story. |
Dear Hydemi,
Your observations and opinions are very valuable and appreciated. I do think that the witness statement re: Maura running east on Rt. 112 is suspect. I also believe that Fred Murray's opinion of that story has dramatically changed since his initial letter to Gov. Benson. I assume that the police investigated the witness statement but, of course, no mention of it has been put out there. The police don't seem to want to share any information with the Murray family or with the media even if it might attract new leads. The police probably have their reasons for not sharing but an outright shutout of Fred Murray is in my opinion criminal.
As you said so eloquently "Go figure"!!!!! |
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